Blindness
This guest contribution is from a programmer colleague of mine at Florida Hospital College of Health Sciences. Thanks for this enlightenment.
According to Wikipedia there are an estimated 10.5 million American men who are red green color blind. I am one of them. I discovered this many years ago and rarely think about it as to me it is normal. However, I have discovered that those around me are endlessly fascinated with it—especially designers. So, to you I provide this public service message on color blindness.
First a little bit of myth busting. Red and green do not appear gray to me, perhaps less bright then you are used to but not gray. Second, color blindness does not give me superpowers. I cannot magically see through red and green objects and describe what is behind them. (It would be nice at times though (-: .)
Examples
Now for the really fun part. This is a series of images created with Vischeck that appear the same to me. Really they do, at most one is a very tiny shade lighter. So to the designers out there, please remember me and my millions of friends before you output something that I can't read.
Did I mention those images look the same to me?
You know those dot tests. Here's why they exist.
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There are some things you would expect.
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There are also some things you probably would not expect.
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And there are some designs that are not as clear as you probably thought they were.
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Please give a second thought before designing something that requires me to tell colors apart to get your point. Thanks.
























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Another Example Image
Here's another good example.
What is the advantage?
For al things there is a reason that nature developed them. What is the natural advantage that a color blind human would have in the wild? It seems to me that it would cause a person to miss out on food if they cannot identify the colors or perhaps make them more likely to consume something poisonous.
How does this evolutionary trait benefit an omnivoir like a human?
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i think i see big difference in the pics but that dotted thing has a slight difference....but i can't make out the numbers sometimes when they are green. i can see the green swirl in the red circle. example if colorblind see 74 and normal see 21 i will see 71 or won't be able to decide.what is up with that?
Color blind
They thought I had some kind limited mental retardation until the art teacher brought in the dots. Then I was cool for a few days. Perk - didn't have to restock the crayon box at the end of the year (burnt ochra?).
Wasn't sure I could get my general aviation ticket but then she got pregnant and "that was all she wrote." Do we see skin tones differently? I never thought of this as a handicap since it doesn't qualify for the sticker but that makes me a little sad, that I don't see people in their full being. I'll get over it.
I have a question
In the Last picture, it shows how color blind people are not able to see if the traffic light is on red or green,they're only able too see if it's yellow, which is not good. Does that mean they're not allowed to drive? or Are there options for them? If so, What kind of options? Thank you for your time.
levels of Colour blindness
I know I am colour blind found out when I tryed to join the military when he gave me the test he marked it as level 3 colour blindness, I can see all the colours as they are red blue green yellow ect ect but I cant tell the differances in the shades like differnt shades of blue red yellow ect ect. so what type of colour blindness am I
i´m one!!
I dont see any difereces in the pictures!
i´m daltonic but dont no what kind of...
uhm not true ? XD
i only dont see the difference between the first 2 pictures not.
but the rest of it, i can see the different. and i'm really colorblind XD :P
Wonderful gift from God...
I'm a RG colorblind, living in a colorful world!! Being what i am has made me appreciate colors i can see! Las vegas is my favourite place!!! Thank you god!!!
culture and memory play a role too
In all countries where we use different words to say "blue" and "green", most people can see the difference easily, but if your language has only one word for "blue and green"(I think it is true for instance in Thai), people are much less expert at distinguishing the gradients of blue to green even within the people with "normal" vision. Here is how I see this.
FIRST we are born each with a different perception. We say normal and color blind to have broad categories, but everyone has a different perception. It is like we distinguish between black and white people but we know that it covers a lot of variations in skin tone. SECOND, we acquire an education, a language that will make a difference in the way our brain interprets the colors, no matter if we are color blind or not. THIRD To a certain extent, we can adjust our perception by re-interpreting the colors, as many people testify here. They use colored glass or memory tips, or they reinterpret the world as Gordon (up here) has suggested. FINALLY, memory plays a big role. Most people with "normal"vision have little memory of colors,they just vaguely remember it was green for instance. By contrast, some rare people can get to a store and find the exact same shade of an emerald cloth they bought a year ago.
So, not two people see the exact same thing anyway. We do the best with what we got.
Don't Bother
This kind of talk is
This kind of talk is pathetic. I don't care if you're colorblind or not, but you yourself are creating the barrier. It is unfortunate that colorblindness can create certain barriers, but to view other peoples' interest in a 'rare' condition as separation is an overreaction. You're not being oppressed or discriminated against, people are interested in how you perceive the world because it's fascinating to them to image such a condition is possible. You're acting no different than other people who 'give up' on life due to some random fault they find in themselves. No one has the right to complain and disregard life because they're different. Its pathetic that you choose to blame, as you put it, "God". You are not the only one suffering in the world, and should consider yourself lucky that you don't have a more serious disorder with truly crippling effects. Support is a sign of reaching out and trying to connect with others, by pushing people away you are creating the rift, not colorblindness.
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hello fellow colorblinds...
hello fellow colorblinds... i just want to share an experience. i've known about my defect since a very young age and the weirdest thing happened to me when i went to amsterdam a few years ago. i took some psychadelic shrooms and 1 hour later i was seeing colors so bright and so intense as i had never seen them before. some of the colors i didnt even recognize. i saw greens, purples, oranges, violets, it was overwhelming (not just the state of mind) the clarity of those colors. anyway i havent since found a way to repeat this experience. has anyone gone through this before. if you havent well, give it a shot ... its priceless!!!
i cant help but wonder if this is how normal vision people perceive the world. lucky them!
wow thats really helpful and
wow thats really helpful and interesting. You guys see the world in a different way and i think its a gift :)
Look at this with a non-colorblind person
Enjoyed this page. As a colorblind person, I used to get frustrated with examples like this. The first example, the dot tests, look completely identical. As a colorblind man, I fail almost every test like this I take. Yet when I look at examples of "what the colorblind see" I get frustrated. Of course I see that the dress changed from red to green. Of course I see the berries change color. Of course I see the red stop light.
But, here is where this example got interesting... I looked at it with my wife. I told her not to comment on the pictures at all. I then tried to tell her all the differences I noticed with each picture. I missed a bunch of details! For example, in many of the pics (red dress pic for example), I'm told that the grass changes from green to brown. I completely missed this. So don't assume that because you see one difference, then it isn't a good example.
So men, take a look at this with a non-colorblind person. It was an eye-opening (no pun intended) experience for both me and the wife.
no
im fully colorblind and this is completely off
check this out
http://mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/513/
i see exactly the same pics
Numbers in dot tests don't work
The numbers in dots tests don't work. I pass the color blindness test at
http://www.opticien-lentilles.com/daltonien_beta/new_test_daltonien.php without any problems. But when it comes to those numbers in dots tests, I cannot concentrate on the numbers. I can see that there is something there in a different color to most of the background but I cannot identify the numbers without tracing them with the mouse pointer or my finger.
Since I can trace them and identify them correctly by tracing I obviously can see the different colors but I cannot bring the numbers into focus in my mind. I pick out groupings of dots based on primarly on darkness, my mind doesn't seem to care about the color even though I can see that the dots I want to group are all different colors, the darkness stands out more than the actual color, so for example of there are red and green dots with different shades I naturally group dark reds and dark greens vs light green and pink rather than group reds vs greens, even red and green are completely different to me. After darkness, size is of next importance, given dots all of the same brightness I tend to focus on their size an group all large or all small together regardless of color - my brain groups large red and large green together vs small red and small green rather than green vs red again despite red and green being completely differnt. Seeing a grouping based on color is of least importance and I will notice it only if there is no obviously grouping based on darkess or size. Most people however focus on the numbers based on the color quite easily so there is something different about me but its not color blindness, its something in the brain after the input from the eyes.
it is a good thing
Very good website, well done and thank you for your job - video gratuite
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Cool website!
This is really, really cool. I'm supposedly "noraml" sighted. And although I have to dissagree on the evolutionary speels, I do agree on the rest. I know someone that is I assume red-green CB. They got purple and green "wrong". I thought that was interesting on the statement on how one man could see the differences right away in nationalities. Maybe we should all be color blind, it might get rid of some of the "race"ism. OH, and if people evolved, then WHY is it, that more WHITE people are colorblind than the rest of us, like the ones living in Africa with the lions and stuff? I haven't done all these tests, but I'm taking it from there.
On a lighter note, I did have a really hard time on some of those tests, I saw a 71, not a 21 or 74(I did see the four later on) and that one where the colors were like sponged on, I had a hard time seeing the 57 or something like that. It might be my LCD screen also. I just got up and my eyes were hurting from the light lol! Anyways, once again, thanks for all the great posts out there for us "normal" sighted ppple. Yes, you do see colors, and much more than the rest of us! >D:<
Colors aren't all that
Colors aren't all that great. You color-blinds aren't missing out on much.
Discrimination
Why is it that the law requires all new constructions to be accessible to people in wheelchairs ? Crossing lights now have audio-signals for blind people. Deaf people can have sign-language interpreters to go to school. Society has changed or adapted itself for people with a great number of handicaps, and I applaud this movement. However, I don't understand why colorblindness is not included in this list ? If we know that colorblind people cannot differentiate green or red LED lights, why are they allowed on devices ? Why is color used as a categorization tool when many people cannot distinguish them ? I believe this to be a form of discrimination towards people with a certain handicap - colorblindness. I am not implying that this condition is equivalent to blindness or many other handicaps. But I am saying that a sufficient % of the population is affected for there to be thought put in to certain situations where color is of importance.
are u kidding???
are ur guys kidding ?
the pictures at left side and right side are same...
Red/Green deficiency.
I couldn't belive it.
The truth hurts
Whatever issues with political correctness and/or jealousy you people have, the dichromat images do look like crap. If you want to pick a real fight, go bash the jerk lower down that's prejudiced against designers.
Do you realize at all how
Do you realize at all how much you just alienated color blind people?
You say here that you get to see all the colors "god" created, while others (i.e. us color blind folks) have to see "all the poopy colors"
That's just great, I'm glad you've been educated so now you can see how it affects people, yet you seem blissfully ignorant of proper manners.
I'm colorblind, but I don't
I'm colorblind, but I don't see "poopy colors"... For a living I draw, I'm an illustrator, and people say I work miracles with colors (which makes me laugh since I don't see them all too well when they sit together).
I have never had anyone tell me I'm disabled... because I'm not. It's like having any other eye-problem (myopia etc), it doesn't make you vision-impaired, it just makes some things more difficult.
What an awful thing to say!
"...I can see the colors that God created... every day they wake up, knowing that they aren't going to see something amazing in it(sic) own color. Which is super sad to think about."
I'm red-green AND blue-yellow colorblind, but it doesn't mean my world is full of 'poopy colors'... It means I see colors differently and that's all... I see plenty of amazingly beautiful colors and I'm pretty sure that 'God' didn't intend to play some sort of cruel trick on me.
What you've written here makes you sound as if you think you're 'superior' because of a lack of color-blindness.
Think about what you're saying and how it makes you sound.
Oh, and either learn how to spell or use a spell-checker.
RED CLIP ON LENS OVER YOU GLASSES
It is all perception...
what do you think about this test ?
It made my dream fly away.
Really very insirattional
Really very insirattional thought.I appreciate the person and slute his will power.
regards
Colourblind guy
Dont give up on the arts,
Dont give up on the arts, Vincent Van gogh was color blind as well, and using the help of just a computer program u could be an arquitect also. Being color blind is just a different way of seeing thing, like a different point of view.
Keep your dream
I am a colorblind architect. Sometimes my condition allows me to make graphics stronger because I need to have presentations stand out by pattern, light and dark contrast and basic artistic composition. There are lots of colorblind artists out there who have learned to compensate! For God's sake don't become a manager if you are an artist. Draw in black and white, sculpt, paint things the way you see them!
color vision
R/G Colorblind
First off I cant see the 45
Color Deficiency as a Perception Issue
Interesting article and interesting comments.
I am definitely color blind in some way, but I'm not exactly sure what type I have. I can distinguish all the colors when they are in their pure form, but similar shades tend to look one way or another for me. I guess you could call it color deficiency?
As for the pictures above, I can see the differences in all of them, although there are certain anomalies. Here are some notes:
1. I can see a difference in color in dots between the two Ishihara tests, but the dots with the "extra" color in the left drawing don't stand out enough from the other ones to form anything distinct. If I tilt my LCD monitor back, I can clearly see the "45". When I tilt it forward again, I can note the difference in color better, but, again, it's not a vivid enough distinction for the "45" to register.
2. With the berries on the branch, the berries in the foreground look vastly different to me, but I needed to read someone else's description in order to even realize there were berries in the background.
3. The two versions of the girl's dress are as different as night and day to me.
4. The Christmas tree is the most complex one for me: at first I didn't notice a difference, but then it seemed that the globe ornaments in the left picture were definitely more red than the ones on the right. The ones on the right definitely do not contrast as much with the tree, but it would be difficult for me to say what color they are. The color seems a vague, darkish reddish
greenish brown that doesn't register really as anything to me. I think in this situation, I would say it is whatever color anyone told me it was and have no problem if they suddenly changed their mind.
5. It is clear to me that the man's face on the right is reddish color and greenish on the right, but it took me a couple of seconds to realize this the first time. On subsequent viewings the distinction was automatic.
6. The photos of the flowers, berries and the ice cream cone seem significantly different enough to me to notice. With the flowers, though, I would be hard pressed to name what color they are, but I think that has to do more with my education/knowledge in color than with color blindness. Although the flowers on the right are another example of what is a vague color to me.
7. The map was just like the face, although it took me a little longer to notice the difference. And just like the face, once I noticed the difference, the distinction was automatic on later viewings.
8. The Chinese picture I can just barely notice a difference, particular with the flowers floating to the right of the man: the ones on the left are much more red than the ones on the left (like the globes on the tree). I can't see much of a difference between anything else, though. Of course I can "see" the lack of red in the right hand picture, but it just isn't a big deal; it doesn't change the picture very much for me. It's distinctly different only upon examination.
9. The two traffic light pictures are completely different to me.
The conclusion this break-down brings me to seems strange to me: red and green are vastly different colors to me, but not as different as they are to people with normal vision. How can qualities that seem like polar opposites to me admit of being more or less different?
What is also interesting is how my different vision effects me cognitively, particularly with blue and purple. I can see the difference between blue and purple, but since I don't see the red in purple as vividly as people with normal vision, purple and blue seem like two different versions of blue to me, although distinct, simply because the more bluish purples look blue to me unless I look at it closely and find the red in it. It drives my normal color vision girlfriend (who, by the way, is myopic and has dramatically worse night vision than I have) crazy when she corrects me as having called something purple something blue, and I say "Oh yeah, I guess it *is* purple, upon closer inspection." Her response is: "Well why didn't you call it purple in the first place, if you can see the difference?" My response is: "Purple is a kind of blue." Although my senses can distinguish colors, because the differences between them are more muddy, my categorization of them is different from other peoples', in addition to my sense-experience.
This makes me wonder: is it possible that, perhaps, this different perception of colors has to do with a cognitive bias? That maybe the way I identify and objectify colors actually influences the way I see them? What I mean is, could it be that the reason I see colors differently is because I think about them differently? I know the issue is not so black and white (or red and green, har har har), but maybe both factors influence "colorblindness." Could it be possible that I really do see things the same as other people, ocularly speaking, but I can't tell the difference between colors at similar shades because I have a mental bias for distinguishing "shade" before distinguishing color? Maybe it's that I perceive brightness and shadow more *intensely* than others (either by choice or biologically), and therefore see color as more accidental, less as a substantial, unchanging quality of objects, and so less intensely. Do you see what I mean? Above I noted a couple places where I could clearly see colors, but the color was "vague." This seems to have a lot to do with cognition, at least in addition to if not in exclusion of sense perception.
Maybe the reason why our perception of color seems more fixed than our perception of other things is because it's a basic quality of the world around us, and we're taught to make distinctions at a much younger age than we are with other things. Perhaps if color was not a part of our education, part of our culture so much, more people would be "color blind." Take race as an example. You learn to distinguish facial features of people in your immediate vicinity before learning to distinguish people that have vastly different characteristics. There is a common complaint that white people cannot distinguish between black or Asian people very well, and I think it's true. The differences are not emphasized in people's minds because they are not called upon to make distinctions. I am a white guy who has studied Asian cultures and languages my whole life, even lived in Asia. I can tell the difference between a Chinese person and a Japanese person on sight. I'm probably in a very small percentile of white Americans who can do that, but the difference seems obvious to me. Of course there are gradations (race is, ultimately, something completely variable and perhaps non-existent from a scientific standpoint). But most white Americans could not distinguish a very Chinese-looking person from a very Japanese-looking person in any way whatsoever.
I chose this somewhat controversial example among others because I find it a good example when trying to explain my experience of colors to other people. When they ask "What is it like being able to notice the difference between blue and purple but only after a close examination?" I can respond by saying "What is it like not being able to distinguish a Chinese person and a Japanese person?" Or Mandarin Chinese and Cantonese. Or Chinese writing with Japanese writing. Or Mozart's music and Haydn's music. After giving so many of these examples, it dawned on me: maybe my difficulty in distinguishing purple and blue is because my grasp of color as a whole is just not as fine as others', and rather than being like the difference between a disabled person and a healthy person, it's more like the difference between a newb and a connoisseur, someone with no experience or insight and someone who does. It's just that some bias in the way I perceive light prevents my mind from pressing forward to make the distinctions.
Of course you are going to say, recognizing facial features is just a matter of training, but there is biological evidence distinguishing colorblind people from those with normal color-vision. This is true, but I am wondering if in those cases where the biological difference isn't great, what might have been no difference at all grew to be one because of thought patterns. That is, what if there are people who are biologically colorblind that pass vision tests because, by chance, their upbringing emphasized color distinctions more than in others', and what if there are people with normal vision who think they are colorblind because they are simply thinking about colors differently?
Thank you for bearing with this very, very, very long post. I hope this made sense to people. I don't have the answers, I just find these to be interesting questions, and this is how I want to be talking about colorblindness. This is something I find very fascinating, and I'm glad people are talking about this subject in this way. Like many others, I'm sick and tired of that stupid "What color is this?" game! I know what color it is, you idiot. I just don't identify colors the same way you do.
P.S. As I preview my comment, it does not seem to be recognizing my paragraphs. I apologize if this carries over to the final post and the whole thing is one big blob. Oh well.
Thanks...and answer to natural selection
LEDs and Colorblindness
Colour blindness and natural selection
Nothing good can come of this
plz stop
How could it be possible to
How could it be possible to demonstrate what a non colorblind person sees to a person who is colorblind? That's like trying to show a deaf person what a particular sound is like.
I'm not colorblind myself, but my father is. I don't see what the big deal is personally. So you'll never see the difference between 2 colors? So what. This isn't a handicap.
Also regarding this entire website, I would like to state that as an engineer, I hate designers. Designers take a perfectly functioning and rational design that is easy and inexpensive to maintain and has good structure, and throws away everything just because it looks nice. For example the reason that so few computers are integrated into a monitor chassis isn't because engineers have no design sense, it's because now when a component fails, it's a total bitch to repair and the smaller component size drives up costs and frequently requires a reduction in power consumption to keep it from melting down - this is why laptops are so damned slow compared to a desktop. The reason car doors swing forward instead of sliding underneath the car isn't because nobody has ever thought of it, it's because in an accident, you can become trapped in the thing when the power fails, and burn to death. None of these trivialities is important to a "designer". So somebody has to needlessly die in an auto accident, at least it had good structure! It's because of designers that cars have such horrible gas mileage too, because they don't understand aerodynamics. 99% of all cars on the road today would be more energy efficient if they were driven backwards, but that's not aesthetic.
Designers drive me nuts because they have absolute no idea and no care for practicality much less safety. They are obsessed artists that thinks the world is wrong, never realizing they are. They don't know how to DESIGN anything, they are only concerned with form, not function.
Design has only one purpose - marketing. Once you bought it, the seller doesn't care if it works, if you can maintain it, or if it kills you as long as they don't have liability but BEST OF ALL if the design causes the device to be hard to maintain or even causes the device to break down - GREAT - now you'll buy another one, after you toss it into the landfill.
I understand
I hate being colorblind. It
My Color Experience
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